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Chef Dave
11-28-2007, 05:39 PM
One of my high school colleagues recently told me that we're not allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance in Arizona. Does anyone know anything about this?

I looked on-line and found the following:

In a 2-1 decision, back in 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the phrase "one nation under God" amounted to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the separation of church and state.

The end result was that schools in Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington state were no longer able to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

On February 28, 2003, The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, refused to reconsider its ruling, saying it would be wrong to allow public outrage to influence its decisions. This announcement was criticized by the U.S. Congress.

President Bush's administration eventually appealed this decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.

On June 14, 2004, the United States Supreme Court overturned the Ninth Circuit Court decision due to a technicality. They said that the plaintiff didn't have the standing to bring the case to the Ninth Court in the first place.

As far as I know, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 9th U.S. Circuit Court ruling ... so why can't we say the pledge in Arizona? Was my colleague misinformed or did I miss another ruling in my google search?

BTW ... I found a student blog about the 9th Court Ruling. A group of Arizona students are said to have written the following:

Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That’s no offense; it’s a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God’s name is prohibited by the state.
We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They’ve outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the ‘unwed daddy,’ our Senior King.
It’s “inappropriate” to teach right from wrong,
We’re taught that such “judgments” do not belong.
We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.
It’s scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school’s a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

mopar
11-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Wow, that poem really does sum up the education now. I believe that the pledge is allowed in schools. I don't teach in Arizona, but my school says the pledge every morning. If there was a ruling...I'd think it would probably be impacting all states by now.

Chef Dave
11-28-2007, 07:27 PM
If there was a ruling...I'd think it would probably be impacting all states by now.

The 9th Circuit Court only has jurisdiction over Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington state.

teach1027
11-30-2007, 08:09 PM
I hadn't heard that schools were banning the pledge. I my school we say the US pledge, the Texas pledge and we sing the national anthem every morning.

Bananas
12-02-2007, 06:55 AM
Illinois has added a moment of silence after the pledge is said to reflect on the day ahead. This is in the courts, as expected.

christine
12-02-2007, 08:57 AM
In the state of Virginia, we start every day with the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence. When the law was written, the legislators took into account other laws that had been overturned, in order to avoid this law being overturned. I've been teaching in Virginia for 8 years, and as far as I know there has not been a challenge to this law, as written.

The big difference between our law and other laws (I'd guess) is that participation is not mandatory. Students must be respectful, but they cannot be forced to participate. In fact, they cannot even be forced to stand, which has caused problems in individual classrooms in my building. That usually results from a teacher who doesn't know how the law was written and a student and/or parent who does.

CapeMayRunner
12-03-2007, 04:56 PM
yes and we say it proud in my classroom!

bella mundi
12-13-2007, 06:49 PM
Not only do we say it in my state, we are required to say it each day and have a moment of silence. (Don't ask which state, I prefer to be anonymous).

I don't make my students say the pledge, or stand up or anything (we broadcast it over the PA), but they must be quiet and respectful.

Spectre
12-15-2007, 08:49 AM
Are you certain that is a state requirement or merely one peculiar to your school system or school?

My school says it every day, but while in another school, in a different part of the same state, I had a spineless (and clueless) "principal" who forbade it, saying she did not want to "fight that battle." We had ONE family of devoted athiests in the school, who objected to it. So much for majority rule. I guess that sometimes, the tail wags the dog.

Bananas
12-28-2007, 07:02 AM
It is legislated in the state of Illinois that the Pledge of Allegiance must be said in all classrooms daily. In addition, it has recently been legislated that we must have a moment of silence. However, the latter has been sent to court, so the outcome is yet to be determined.